WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO BELIEVE AGAIN? OR ARE YOU SO SURE OF YOURSELF THAT NO EVIDENCE WOULD CONVICE YOU OF GOD’S EXISTENCE?
Great question! I would consider myself as an Agnostic Atheist. Let me explain.
I’m agnostic by position, meaning I don’t think it’s possible to know for sure whether a god exists or not. By definition, divine beings are supernatural and we are natural. Our investigative methods confine us to the natural world. We can only truly know what we can see, hear, feel, taste, and smell. God (or the gods) are outside this realm, therefore we cannot know if they exist.
But I’m atheist by opinion, meaning I believe there probably isn’t a divine being outside of our universe. I’ve seen no conclusive evidence that would lead me to think a divine being not only exists, but it is also a personal god who listens to prayers and intervenes in the affairs of mankind.
Now what would it take to change my mind?
Simple, provide positive evidence that a god exists. Specifically you’ll also need to provide evidence that YOUR god exists. And by evidence I don’t mean logical assumptions! Don’t come to me with the Cosmological Argument. Don’t come to me with “Well if God did exist then would we expect the world to…” Don’t come to me with arguments about morality. Don’t come to me with unverified stories about how you went to a conference and that one song made you cry and that’s proof that God exists. Come to me with evidence that I can see, hear, feel, taste, or smell. Come to me with evidence that is demonstrable and reproducible.
And don’t pull this on me:
Because I WOULD believe it. I would become a Christian again. Do you have any idea how much easier my life would be if I believed? Do you have any idea how much my wife and in-laws would scream for joy if I believed in again? I wouldn’t have to quit my job! I could pray, sing, and preach again! I could wake up every morning knowing that my heavenly father was looking after me. I would know that no matter what happens to me that “in all things God works for the good for those who love him and are called to his purpose”. YES PLEASE PRESENT THIS EVIDENCE SO THAT I MAY REGAIN MY FAITH!!!!!!
I have gained nothing of benefit by becoming an atheist, it has made my life harder. I spent many nights in tears and prayers asking God to show himself to me. He did not, but if you’ve got a way to prove that God exists, not just any god but YHWH himself, then please by all means, show me this evidence!
WELL HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO APOLOGETICS?
Yes I have. I have read Lee Strobel, Josh MacDowell, William Lane Craig, Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, N.T. Wright, the Discovery Institute, Reasons To Believe, the 1 Minute Apologist, Ray Comfort, and a list of other authors that I don’t even remember their names. I find none of their arguments convincing. Mostly because they don’t provide any real proof. It’s all logical arguments heavily based on unsubstantiated assumptions.
Don’t come to me with logical arguments based on unsubstantiated assumptions, I want hard evidence.
WHAT ABOUT CREATION? YOU CAN’T REALLY BELIEVE THIS WORLD WAS CREATED BY ACCIDENT? ISN’T CREATION EVIDENCE OF GOD’S EXISTENCE?
Ok, I’ll play along. Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that you provided solid evidence that it was impossible for life to be created by natural forces but that it must have been created by supernatural forces. And by solid evidence, I don’t mean pointing out that there are still gaps in our scientific knowledge, rather evidence that proves that our current scientific knowledge is completely wrong about the origins of life. Let’s say you do that and then I agree with you that the world must have been engineered/created. That’s still wouldn’t convince me to be a Christian!
Why not? Just because you prove that supernatural forces exist, doesn’t mean you’ve proven that YOUR god is the/a real god. How do we know that Thor or Ra didn’t create the world? How do we know that there is only one god or many gods? How do we know that “god” isn’t “the Force”? How do we know that Deism isn’t the correct supernatural explanation to creation?
If you convinced me that the world must have been created, I’ll probably become a deist because I still see no evidence of an interventionist God.
Want to convince me to abandon atheism and join your religion. It’s easy, just follow these 2 steps:
- Provide substantial, demonstrable, reproducible evidence that a god exist.
- Provide substantial, demonstrable, reproducible evidence that YOUR god exists.